Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:32 am
Oh, you mean like this one?
Idk why but i like picking on this car.
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:00 pm
Terminator wrote:
Oh, you mean like this one?
Idk why but i like picking on this car.
There are 2003/04 Svt cobra's running sub 10 second quarter miles on a stock block...
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:05 pm
3vs197 wrote:
GT500=fail. for every video u show me of a bolt one trapping 120+, ill show u a video of a blower swapped one trapping less than 130. faster than my car? no doubt, but for the money and power, ill make my choice elsewhere. and that race wasnt staged, the guy in the camaro just couldnt drive. stock for stock they will be damn close with the edge maybe going to the stang stock for stock. but remember, all it takes is a cam and bolt ons in a LS3 to make 500wheel, the new 5.0 will have no such thing.
The new 5.0 motor will easily be pushing upper 400's with the above mentioned... You are forgetting that the smaller 5.0 is much more efficent @ making power. The ls3 motor is a great motor overall but the design is very old school..
Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:43 pm
show me aftermarket heads for the 5.0? or cams? wait, they dont exist. it took companies several years to come out with heads for the 3v and it will likely be the same story for the 5.0. the heads already flow over 300cfm, so where are they going to upgrade too? the best flowing 4v head ive seen for sale to the public flows around 350cfm and the new heads are already near that. the ls stuff is old school but it works just fine. when is the last time u have seen an all motor modular make 600+ whp on pump gas? LS7's can do it easily, the 5.0 wont touch that with a ten foot pole. doesnt matter how much "technology" they have, they dont have displacement and in the end its going to fuck them like is has all modular motors. ported ls7 heads flow 400+ cfm, no modular head flows that, even with its "technology."
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:49 pm
Stop being a fucking hater Tye! Until you can afford a zo you own a mustang. So shut the fuck up and be a mustang fan. Lol!
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:59 pm
3vs197 wrote:
show me aftermarket heads for the 5.0? or cams? wait, they dont exist. it took companies several years to come out with heads for the 3v and it will likely be the same story for the 5.0. the heads already flow over 300cfm, so where are they going to upgrade too? the best flowing 4v head ive seen for sale to the public flows around 350cfm and the new heads are already near that. the ls stuff is old school but it works just fine. when is the last time u have seen an all motor modular make 600+ whp on pump gas? LS7's can do it easily, the 5.0 wont touch that with a ten foot pole. doesnt matter how much "technology" they have, they dont have displacement and in the end its going to fuck them like is has all modular motors. ported ls7 heads flow 400+ cfm, no modular head flows that, even with its "technology."
What is it going to fuck them out of? Modular motors are very responsive to boost, and can be modded much cheaper. For the price and time of you tearing into a motor to add cams, valves and retaining springs, I can add a 2.8 liter blower that would push reliable 600hp. The price of a LS7 motor with cams and bolt far exceeds what can be had with a modular 4.6 or 5.0. My point of the post is to show how far small block modular motors have come over the last decade. I would be willing to bet a "near stock" 2011 Mustang would give you a run for your money.
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:33 pm
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3vs197 wrote:
show me aftermarket heads for the 5.0? or cams? wait, they dont exist. it took companies several years to come out with heads for the 3v and it will likely be the same story for the 5.0. the heads already flow over 300cfm, so where are they going to upgrade too? the best flowing 4v head ive seen for sale to the public flows around 350cfm and the new heads are already near that. the ls stuff is old school but it works just fine. when is the last time u have seen an all motor modular make 600+ whp on pump gas? LS7's can do it easily, the 5.0 wont touch that with a ten foot pole. doesnt matter how much "technology" they have, they dont have displacement and in the end its going to fuck them like is has all modular motors. ported ls7 heads flow 400+ cfm, no modular head flows that, even with its "technology."
Ford motors are built to handle boost... Here's a great example of a cheap build on a 2 valve.. 4.6 2 valve "This is still a cast-crank motor. I don't want to push anymore than 630, which is way more than this short-block can handle for regular operation. The motor is seven years old. It ran great and I am really happy where we are at with it," said Dez. Hopefully Smitty is satisfied with a mid-600-rwhp street car combination too. (Editor's note: Yes I am!)
Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:45 pm
GM has historically not done well with similar cubic inches to what Ford uses. They always have had to use much bigger engines to gain power. it is a fact. And the Zo6 is what.. 7 LITERS??? sheesh! and the ZR1 is 6.2 and that itself is huge too, but it is also BLOWN. Let's get real. The LS is a nice motor. But it is not greater than what For is doing even with less displacement. Ford has the efficiency down with dual OHC. the only thing that cost more in the ford is chaning the cams, because you have to buy two or four instead of 1.
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:54 pm
Your forgetting the power curve for the n/a LS motors to the boosted mod motors. 3vs197 has been through this argument before. All motor power beats boosted mod motors every time.
Also are these motors that you're talking about making 600hp and 630 running on pump gas???
You can't push more then 500 out of the 3 valves on stock bottom ends. What mod motor other then the 03/04 4 valve are you making 600 wheel with on stock bottom ends?
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:59 pm
Jason wrote:
GM has historically not done well with similar cubic inches to what Ford uses. They always have had to use much bigger engines to gain power. it is a fact. And the Zo6 is what.. 7 LITERS??? sheesh! and the ZR1 is 6.2 and that itself is huge too, but it is also BLOWN. Let's get real. The LS is a nice motor. But it is not greater than what For is doing even with less displacement. Ford has the efficiency down with dual OHC. the only thing that cost more in the ford is chaning the cams, because you have to buy two or four instead of 1.
The Chevy 302
The 350 rocket
5.7 Ls1 motors
5.7 Ls6 motors
3.8 sfi turbo
Just to name a few smaller chevy motors.
Chevy doesn't need boost unless its a 6. Some would say having to make 14 lbs of boost is what is unimpressive.
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:02 pm
You may not understand the Similar Cube motor part... I'm talking stock to stock..
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:04 pm
Are you saying that a LS motor is "reliable" with 600hp to stcok bottom end? LOL and what about the 5.4 motor...?
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:06 pm
Ok stock for stock. When has Ford beaten Chevy?
Chevy's performance engines have not been that far apart from Fords in the years past. Ford picked its poison with small cubic inches.
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:08 pm
Jason wrote:
Are you saying that a LS motor is "reliable" with 600hp to stcok bottom end? LOL and what about the 5.4 motor...?
No you're saying that Ford makes a reliable 600 motor stock bottom end when it doesn't
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:16 pm
Terminator wrote:
Jason wrote:
GM has historically not done well with similar cubic inches to what Ford uses. They always have had to use much bigger engines to gain power. it is a fact. And the Zo6 is what.. 7 LITERS??? sheesh! and the ZR1 is 6.2 and that itself is huge too, but it is also BLOWN. Let's get real. The LS is a nice motor. But it is not greater than what For is doing even with less displacement. Ford has the efficiency down with dual OHC. the only thing that cost more in the ford is chaning the cams, because you have to buy two or four instead of 1.
The Chevy 302
The 350 rocket
5.7 Ls1 motors
5.7 Ls6 motors
3.8 sfi turbo
Just to name a few smaller chevy motors.
Chevy doesn't need boost unless its a 6. Some would say having to make 14 lbs of boost is what is unimpressive.
Chevy has to boost its 6.2 motor on a 100,000 car to get it to run 600hp and your talking to me about unimpressive? the funny thing is to top it off they used a Eaton roots blower to do it...
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:24 pm
And what did the Ford GT cost?
You're really going to try to knock the ZR1 for costing 100k?? LOL! The ZR1 is worth every penny. Any examples of what beats it that doesn't cost 200k+?? Let me rephrase that. Anything that comes close?
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:25 pm
Terminator wrote:
Ok stock for stock. When has Ford beaten Chevy?
Chevy's performance engines have not been that far apart from Fords in the years past. Ford picked its poison with small cubic inches.
The v-6 Mustang shows faster quarter mile than v-6 Camaro stock. The v-8 5.0 just beat the Camaro SS...
What else do you need?
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:27 pm
Terminator wrote:
And what did the Ford GT cost?
You're really going to try to knock the ZR1 for costing 100k?? LOL! The ZR1 is worth every penny. Any examples of what beats it that doesn't cost 200k+?? Let me rephrase that. Anything that comes close?
The Zr1 uses an inferior supercharger in a 100,000 car.. I wouldn't even use it for a door stop...
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:28 pm
Terminator wrote:
And what did the Ford GT cost?
You're really going to try to knock the ZR1 for costing 100k?? LOL! The ZR1 is worth every penny. Any examples of what beats it that doesn't cost 200k+?? Let me rephrase that. Anything that comes close?
You better start saving your pennies then
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:29 pm
That's 2011 numbers right? There is one example and i would even say that the races would be a drivers race.
As a performance guy i could car less about v6 performance.
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:30 pm
Jason wrote:
Terminator wrote:
And what did the Ford GT cost?
You're really going to try to knock the ZR1 for costing 100k?? LOL! The ZR1 is worth every penny. Any examples of what beats it that doesn't cost 200k+?? Let me rephrase that. Anything that comes close?
You better start saving your pennies then
Ok, the zo6 then??
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:30 pm
not to get off track...but you should try the multi quote feature
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:35 pm
Jason wrote:
Terminator wrote:
And what did the Ford GT cost?
You're really going to try to knock the ZR1 for costing 100k?? LOL! The ZR1 is worth every penny. Any examples of what beats it that doesn't cost 200k+?? Let me rephrase that. Anything that comes close?
The Zr1 uses an inferior supercharger in a 100,000 car.. I wouldn't even use it for a door stop...
And still mops the floor with all the Euro trash. Isn't that somethin?
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:35 pm
Your not a preformance guy if you disregard technology. The v-6 motor on a 2011 Mustang is just as fast as a v-8 Mustang from a few years back. This in itself is all about preformance..
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Subject: Re: 2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote" Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:37 pm
Terminator wrote:
Jason wrote:
Terminator wrote:
And what did the Ford GT cost?
You're really going to try to knock the ZR1 for costing 100k?? LOL! The ZR1 is worth every penny. Any examples of what beats it that doesn't cost 200k+?? Let me rephrase that. Anything that comes close?
The Zr1 uses an inferior supercharger in a 100,000 car.. I wouldn't even use it for a door stop...
And still mops the floor with all the Euro trash. Isn't that somethin?
Do you see why forced induction is important then? Without this "unimpressive modification" the Corvette would be at the back of the pack...
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