2011 Camaro SS Vs. 5.0 Mustang "coyote"

A performance guy would never buy a v6 model. That's all i'm sayin really.

I'm a preformance guy and I would buy the V-6 and make it faster than the v-8 for the same price just to prove my point to you.

Is that why the ZO is so slow then?

I guess i don't understand what is so bad aout the tvs bloweer on the ZR1 either? It's nothing like the ones on 03/04 Cobras.

Jason wrote:

I'm a preformance guy and I would buy the V-6 and make it faster than the v-8 for the same price just to prove my point to you.

Then do it. And i'll mod the v8 and still be faster so what's your point?

Plus i'll have the better suspension, the better transmission the better brakes. Are you going to apply all those mods as well?

It's a roots type blower, both are made by Eaton. The blower is only about 60% efficent, due to its tendaccy for heat soak. Why would a preformance guy want to have a mediocre blower on a "super car"?

Terminator wrote:

Jason wrote:

I'm a preformance guy and I would buy the V-6 and make it faster than the v-8 for the same price just to prove my point to you.

Then do it. And i'll mod the v8 and still be faster so what's your point?

Plus i'll have the better suspension, the better transmission the better brakes. Are you going to apply all those mods as well?

We are talking about the same ($) car to car. The v-6 would be a much faster car given the extra budget left over from the lower cost of the vehicle.

Jason - Arguing that technology is a huge factor is exactly what Honda fanboys use. Yes while impressive, you'll never have an advantage over displacement.

Jason wrote:

It's a roots type blower, both are made by Eaton. The blower is only about 60% efficent, due to its tendaccy for heat soak. Why would a preformance guy want to have a mediocre blower on a "super car"?

Ford did it. Right?

The TVS is a really good blower as far a spositive displacements go.

What other types of blowers come factory on other cars??

roguestatus wrote:

Jason - Arguing that technology is a huge factor is exactly what Honda fanboys use. Yes while impressive, you'll never have an advantage over displacement.

The disatvantage of extra displacement is weight.

Terminator wrote:

Jason wrote:

It's a roots type blower, both are made by Eaton. The blower is only about 60% efficent, due to its tendaccy for heat soak. Why would a preformance guy want to have a mediocre blower on a "super car"?

Ford did it. Right?

The TVS is a really good blower as far a spositive displacements go.

What other types of blowers come factory on other cars??

I don't know of any domestic cars that use efficent blowers. We are the land of waste right?

Jason wrote:

roguestatus wrote:

Jason - Arguing that technology is a huge factor is exactly what Honda fanboys use. Yes while impressive, you'll never have an advantage over displacement.

The disatvantage of extra displacement is weight.

ZO6 7.0-3100LBS

GT500 5.4-3900LBS.

Jason wrote:

Terminator wrote:

Jason wrote:

It's a roots type blower, both are made by Eaton. The blower is only about 60% efficent, due to its tendaccy for heat soak. Why would a preformance guy want to have a mediocre blower on a "super car"?

Ford did it. Right?

The TVS is a really good blower as far a spositive displacements go.

What other types of blowers come factory on other cars??

I don't know of any domestic cars that use efficent blowers. We are the land of waste right?

The first thing any "preformance guy" would do with a stock Eaton is port and pulley it. This would make more power, but at the cost of heat. The twin screw designed blowers run much cooler and can handle much higher blower rpm.

Terminator wrote:

Jason wrote:

roguestatus wrote:

Jason - Arguing that technology is a huge factor is exactly what Honda fanboys use. Yes while impressive, you'll never have an advantage over displacement.

The disatvantage of extra displacement is weight.

ZO6 7.0-3100LBS

GT500 5.4-3900LBS.

The Gt500 is heavier for several reasons. The main reason is a built motor that has already proven to handle 800hp in stock form. The z06 would have to opened up and reinforced before it could handle this level of power.

I've already done that. Ported pulley 04 Cobra. And i would still lose to a heads cam ls car let alone cammed ls6 zo6 and a stock ls7 zo6.

Terminator wrote:

I've already done that. Ported pulley 04 Cobra. And i would still lose to a heads cam ls car let alone cammed ls6 zo6 and a stock ls7 zo6.

That's my point, Eaton blowers suck. I had my Cobra ported for about 2 months before I stepped up to the Kenne Bell.

Jason wrote:

Terminator wrote:

Jason wrote:

roguestatus wrote:

Jason - Arguing that technology is a huge factor is exactly what Honda fanboys use. Yes while impressive, you'll never have an advantage over displacement.

The disatvantage of extra displacement is weight.

ZO6 7.0-3100LBS

GT500 5.4-3900LBS.

The Gt500 is heavier for several reasons. The main reason is a built motor that has already proven to handle 800hp in stock form. The z06 would have to opened up and reinforced before it could handle this level of power.

Yeah and the GT-500 would still only trap 128 at best with that kind of power. You're also talking bigger fuel systems and supporting mods. The Z doesn't need to be torn apart because it just works. At worst a cam. Intake, tune and no cats you will trap 128.. Heads cam and it's over 600 wheel in a 3000lbs car. 700hp Super snakes trap mid high 120s?

For 03/04 Cobra coupes to beat a Ls7 Z you need over 100 wheel for it to even be a race. Let alone a GT-500. Design Weight is tech too.

Jason wrote:

Terminator wrote:

I've already done that. Ported pulley 04 Cobra. And i would still lose to a heads cam ls car let alone cammed ls6 zo6 and a stock ls7 zo6.

That's my point, Eaton blowers suck. I had my Cobra ported for about 2 months before I stepped up to the Kenne Bell.

Ya they suck on the mod motors. But the one on the ZR1 is nothing like what you or i had. What the KB cost you all said and done if you don't mind me asking?

It was pretty cheap. I sold my ported Eaton for $500. I would say with all supporting mods and dyno time around $5000 (including the lightly used Kenne Bell)..

The 03/04 Cobras are the best Mustang ever built in my opinion. Maybe the best Performance Ford built??

Terminator wrote:

The 03/04 Cobras are the best Mustang ever built in my opinion. Maybe the best Performance Ford built??

Never sell a Cobra...

Jason, go buy a fucking honda, u use the hp/liter argument more than those fags do. hp/liter doesnt mean a damn thing. its an excuse that guys with smaller motors who feel insignificant and underpowered use. and the GT500 will handle more power than the Z06, sure, no arguments here but it TAKES THAT FAT BITCH GT500 800hp to get out of its own way. and z06 will blow the doors off that pile with 200less whp. it doesnt need that power. chevy makes their cars go fast with less power, what does that say about your "technology?" and a bolt on 2011 stang will beat my car, what does that prove? that one stang is faster than another?

u are just one of those tunnel vision ford only people that obviously doesnt know much about the competition, u should race your uncles vette, i bet u loose if he can drive. and when he is walking away from u, u can reassure yourself u make more hp/liter than him. oh and a intake/tune c6 z will beat your KB cobra.

3vs197 I own a Honda... I can't wait to meet you in person ..

3vs197 wrote:

Jason, go buy a fucking honda, u use the hp/liter argument more than those fags do. hp/liter doesnt mean a damn thing. its an excuse that guys with smaller motors who feel insignificant and underpowered use. and the GT500 will handle more power than the Z06, sure, no arguments here but it TAKES THAT FAT BITCH GT500 800hp to get out of its own way. and z06 will blow the doors off that pile with 200less whp. it doesnt need that power. chevy makes their cars go fast with less power, what does that say about your "technology?" and a bolt on 2011 stang will beat my car, what does that prove? that one stang is faster than another?

u are just one of those tunnel vision ford only people that obviously doesnt know much about the competition, u should race your uncles vette, i bet u loose if he can drive. and when he is walking away from u, u can reassure yourself u make more hp/liter than him. oh and a intake/tune c6 z will beat your KB cobra.

Aggression is a sign of fear..

Jason wrote:

3vs197 I own a Honda... I can't wait to meet you in person ..

ok..... is this an e-thug responce or what is it?

lol. your posts are a sign of stupidity.

oh i just found another stupid post u made, that extra displacement is extra weight, a LS7 weighs the same as a mod motor, makes about 200 more hp, has less emissions and gets better mileage, but yea its just a shitty old school engine.