Avatar not highest grossing film when adding in inflation. Makes more sense cause Avatar SUCKED!!!

Avatar not highest grossing film when adding in inflation. This makes more sense cause Avatar SUCKED!!! Avatar does not even show up until #25.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

I would believe that, I didn't actually see it so I don't know if it sucked or not but I'm not really interested in finding out.

How did that movie suck? The story, weak and predictable. The visual effects, Off the Chain!

Maybe its me, but I have no interest to see this movie whatsoever. Hell, I haven't even seen Transformers 2 yet...

moparkid wrote:

Maybe its me, but I have no interest to see this movie whatsoever. Hell, I haven't even seen Transformers 2 yet...

I saw Transformers 2 only to see Megan Fox.

I'm sorry I have to agree they need to adjust this shit for gross! Their is no way this movie is even fucking close to the holy trilogy. (Star Wars IV ,V, VI)

Mike

^Truer words never spoken Jedi Master Mikey.

I loved how Avatar had an anti-capitalist message to it but makes over 1 billion.

Avatar sucked big blue kitty cock because the story has been done sooooo many times before, the acting was that of a high school musical and it had no substance. I couldn't wait for it to be over with. I went into it thinking that it was going to be a badass action flick and it turned out to be an eco treehugging love fest. That and they tried to make The USMC look evil and ignorant. It was a stupid message to try and send.

Transformers (even with its weak plot) >Avatar.

Dwight

I actually agree with you. I sometimes think that Movie director's need to keep to what they know, which is movies, not social comentary.

Do I really need ten foot tall blue aliens and their planet used as an analogy, to make a social commentary, on US policy over the last ten years. NO! I'm going to the theatre, to watch a movie to provide me with a 2 hour reprieve from this shit.

Often, Hollywood attempts to create movies with entertainment in mind with a secondary attempt to raise awareness to a cause and for the most part, with the exception of Speilberg direction of Shindler's List, they fail.

I'll give you an example:

"Dances with Wolves" directed by Kevin Costner which I think is a very entertaining movie that was used to raise awareness to the plight of the Lakota Sioux indians. On the surface it does that, yet the problem was that someone who did cultural research for that movie did a half ass job. Which is really offensive, espcially if you are really invested in the plight.

What people don't realize is that the Siouan language has gender differentiation. Each gender speaks slightly different dialect, and this was a huge problem. The whole movie was done in female dialect, which was offensive to the sioux male population, who basically laughed it off, but it made them realize, that Hollywood really had no clue about them or their plight. Again, if the cause was important you need to know who you are supporting.

Again, this is just my feeling on things. I believe Hollywood should keep to what they know. I also have made it part of my daily life to be very critical of what I read/watch. Its wise to be informed, but know that for the most part the media has an agenda of selling its works. Thus, I take everything the media says with a grain of salt.

Again its just my opinion
Mike

Do we need a politics section for Dwight?

This isn't politics, this is just a discussion of media issues!

Mike

I think that you need to view a movie for what it is and ignore any sub-context. Everything we see today has some other purpose behind it or alternate agenda. Is a movie going to change how I feel about foreign policy or any other political movement. Hell no. And if your political views change because of a movie that you see, then you have weak views/values.

Don't get me wrong I don't like the sub-context of this film anymore than you guys did. But what I did enjoy was the fact that this film took the filming process to the next level. When I say that I mean that Cameron had to invent the equipment that he used to film this movie with. The techniques that he uses will forever change the movie industry. Some of the equipment had the ability to film in 2d and 3d at the same time.

Not only will this movie change the movie industry but can you imagine what video games have the potential of becoming. I only say this because these were computer generated scenes and characters.

But hey the political sub-context is completely worth letting it ruin the film



Notes for those who no likey reading

Everything in todays media has alternate agendas
Get over it
Watch it for what it is
Cameron is a game changer

Dan

good points. I do think that Cameron is a game changer, but to me he is only so so as a story teller. I mean CGI can only do so much, but if the story is sad and predictable it falls flat.

I was talking with my buddy Geo about this the other day a movie that is a good mix of story, with CGI was District 9, again the sorry was slightly predictable, and it certainly had a politico message, but it wasn't over top crazy like Avatar was for sure.

I kind of like special effects, but when used properly not like a fucking meat grinder like Cameron has.

I also must admit I'm biased against Cameron because of the 9 hours of my youth that got sucked away having to watch fucking Titanic in the theater, this is valiant attempt to score with three young hotties! (It worked out, but still...)

Mike

I agree Mikey and in no way am I trying to call anyone out here. I think that Cameron style is just over-the-top, and that style just suites some people more than others. His story telling sucks and I told my dad, whom I saw it with, right away that it was unbelievably predictable.

I agree District 9 was good and it had an agenda.

Cameron's best movie btw is still Terminator.


Oh and fist pumps for the Titanic move haha. If I would have been a lil older when it came out I would have used it as a moistener as well.

I took my high school sweat heart on our first date to titanic and helped me score for 3 years. Then i took some run of the mill hood rat to Avatar and look what happened. I ended up not even wanting to get laid after it because i was pissed at my cheap ass for wasting $30 to see it. I almost wanted to say to her, "so your gonna hit me back for that right?"


Again my #1 reason that i say Avatar sucked is because of the plot/acting. Pretty big reasons. The agenda behind it was just icing on the cake. And the movie was vague as hell too. I kept asking myself ok they know that they are avatars now.... nope not yet.... ok now they must.... oh not yet. Movies like that insult the audiances intelligence.

Watch a Quentin Tarantino movie and notice the dialog that goes into it. I'm not a huge fan of his work all the time because of the random gore but he makes a movie that isn't just visual. It takes some sort of intelligence to understand. Thats what people should demand out of their movies these days. A movie ticket isn't 25 cents anymore. I watched Avatar for what it was and it's pure garbage. If all you can say is omg the special effects are crazy then the movie fails because it's just a puppet show. Shit i'll watch Toy Story then. The best movies ever made didn't have a single cgi scene.

Terminator wrote:

The best movies ever made didn't have a single cgi scene.

The Matrix
Lord of the Rings
Black Hawk Down
Jurassic Park
Pearl Harbor
Pan's Labyrinth
Equilibrium
Men in Black (first one)
Children of Men
Day after Tomorrow
Gladiator
Independence Day
The Abyss
Tron
Pirates of the Caribbean
I, Robot
Terminator 2:Judgment Day

Just to name a few

But yeah some of the best movies ever made don't have cg in them

Tarantino will almost never use cg because he believes everything should be filmed on film.

Oh and add Back to the Future to that list

I would say the best movies ever made are none of those besides maybe LOTR.

I never said that the best movies made are even on that list. Im talking about quality not amount of $$.

Terminator wrote:

I would say the best movies ever made are none of those besides maybe LOTR.

I never said that the best movies made are even on that list. Im talking about quality not amount of $$.

Then what does your list comprise of? I'm pretty sure I'd watch these movies before anything that you choose. I don't care about movies that were made before computers existed because that defeats the purpose. Of course those movies will be great and not contain cg because they couldn't have possibly done that now, right?


Quality not $$? The Abyss hmmm didn't make it big, hmmmm Children of Men, hmmmmm Pan's Labyrinth didn't see this in theaters, hmmm Equilibrium didn't see that on the top grossing films list.


So lets hear your list of films created after the invention of the computer that are so great.


If you don't consider money, then it becomes a matter of opinion. and I could care less about yours


Boondock Saints, Fight Club, Kill Zone, Sin City, Ong Bak, Smokin Aces, Beer Fest, MI:3, Transformers, The Invisible, Ocean's 13, Gone in 60 Seconds, Casino Royale, The Bourne Trilogy, Jet Li's Fearless, The Hangover, Star Wars, Forest Gump

What all contain cg?

Actually most all my top 10 movies are 1977 and up and don't contain cgi scenes.

Just because some of your movie picks have few cg scenes make them great? It's probably because its cheaper to do cg then to do it real life. It also looks more fake. If a movie is good but has bad cg are you going to ban it from your list? I wouldn't rule out seing a movie if it had cg so why rule out movies that don't have cg? I guess if you want to leave your brain at home cg only movies allow you to do that. I enjoy that from time to time.

Gone in 60 seconds! Perfect! Glad you brought it up. The jump scene and the bad guy death scene were like they cameout of a special effects garbage can. Now if they would have done that jump for real like they did in the first movie it would have been amazing. But they didn't and the movie looked stupid for a bit.

I'm not saying i dont enjoy cg but acting and substance come first.

Awards mean nothing to the greatness of a film??

If you don't consider money, then it becomes a matter of opinion? Gone with the Wind is still #1 then. I have seen it. Not my cup of tea but thats because of all the la la.

Get an old Eastwood Western. Amazing movies. Fist full of dollars, few dollars more, good the bad and the ugly.

Dan
My feeling is that a best movies is one that stand the ages. I'm sorry the list above is good, but I would not consider them legends...yet.

Here is my list of greatest movies of all time

The Wizard of OZ ( think of its context at the time it came out before WWII)
Casablanca
Cool Hand Luke
2001 A space Odessy
Citizen Kane
Gone with the Wind
Vanishing point
Debbie does Dallas (Porn greats should not be excluded)

Mike

Borat won't stand up to the test of time but it's still one of the funniest things I've ever seen. You can't argue movies, it's all opinion. Just because one film made more than another is generally because it had a bigger marketing budget. Not because it was better.

TERMINATOR

Those movies were not picked just because they have cg scenes but they also contain good acting and substance. I'm sorry Terminator where did I mention awards? Gone with the wind, not your cup of tea, so what is that then oh yeah and opinion. Exactly what I stated. When did I say I was opposed to non cg films? So all movies with cg are for the brainless? Obviously....

The movies that I enjoy aren't always block busters. I actually like very much movies that are independent and foreign films as well.

I'm too young to enjoy the true classics. Don't get me wrong I love all of the Rat Pack movies Ocean's 13, Robin and the 7 Hoods ect.

But my top 10 is made up of movies that most of you have probably never seen. Again this is all opinion.

Some are
Old Boy
Kill Zone
Brick
Sympathy for Mr. Vengance
Sympathy for Lady Vengance



AGAIN THIS IS ALL OPINION AND MOST OF YOU PROBABLY WONT AGREE WITH ME ON MY TOP 10. ALL OPION BECAUSE NONE OF THESE ARE CRITICS PICKS.

If youre bitching to the high court about all this being opinion then why did you bust my balls about when i said Avatar sucked??? Youre talking in circles.

I don't think you understood what i said about awards.

When i talked about leaving your brain at home i was talking about avatar.

And Beer Fest and Transformers has good acting eh??? Lol, Ok......

And gone with the wind is still a great movie man, even though it's not my cup. Watch it sometime.

Now I must agree some of its personal choice, but yet no one has mentioned one of the greatest films of all time

Gentleman, I submit for your approval this cinematic gem!






In all seriousness and cheesiness aside I do love this movie. Patrick RIP man!!
Mike

Coming in second would have to be this movie then....









Opinions are opinions but this movie has to be one of the worst ever made. I could take a dump on the screen and have it be more entertaining. Roadhouse was such a classic and then they ha to make this crap. Makes you wonder.

I bounced down town with a meathead that would watch Roadhouse every night before going to work.